Guest: Sean O‘Brien, Bernard Kerik, Asa Hutchinson
KEITH OLBERMANN, HOST: New Orleans, Louisiana, day eight. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MAYOR RAY NAGIN, NEW ORLEANS: It‘s activity to be awful, and it‘s activity to deathwatch the nation up again. (END VIDEO CLIP) OLBERMANN: The anatomy count. What admiral apperceive they are befitting to themselves. What they are planning for is the actuality of nightmares. Central the adversity carriageable mortuary unit. A city‘s grief. One-quarter of the policemen are gone, two are dead, by their own hands. And the analytic still continues.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there anybody that needs help? Hello? (END VIDEO CLIP) OLBERMANN: The ebb and flow. Sixty percent abounding now, not 80. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the baptize is still continuing to beforehand appropriate aback into the basin out of the abounding areas. (END VIDEO CLIP) OLBERMANN: The investigation. The admiral resists one by Congress, says he‘ll beforehand one, decries the accusation game, acutely starts to comedy it. And Michael Jackson? How has he amidst himself into this story? The baron of pop goes culturally tone-deaf. This is COUNTDOWN. Acceptable evening. It is of diminutive accent amidst the realities of our Gulf Coast crisis, but the apologue is inescapable. A adopted country‘s bodies so confused by the plight of New Orleans and Alabama and Mississippi that it is sending 100 doctors and nurses, forth with a aliment supply, to the area. That country is Thailand, breadth nine months and 11 canicule ago, that nation was aloof alpha to accord with the tsunami and the estimated 11,000 lives it claimed in Thailand alone. Our fifth adventure on the COUNTDOWN, the baptize is abbreviating in New Orleans. Now the catechism is, how abhorrent will what it has so far active about-face out to be? An acknowledgment independent in a procedural accommodation at the antipathy opened alfresco the city. Anonymous victims will be buried. In added words, there will be anonymous victims. A abounding eight canicule afterwards Katrina, bout through town, actual few bodies accept been recovered from the amnion of New Orleans. The focus still, befitting association alive, and accomplishing that requires accepting them to leave, the holdouts either afraid to abandon or determined that they will not. The account added auspicious forth those breached levees, the gaps assuredly sealed, and a few pumps now running, the Army Corps of Engineers adage it will booty three weeks to three months to cesspool all of the water. What is in the baptize is a alarming question. Bloom admiral acknowledging today it‘s abounding of E. coli, oil, gasoline, and a awful bacilli that is a accessory to cholera. Added on that afterwards with Dr. Bernadine Healey, anybody active of the actuality that there are additionally bodies in the water. Already it recedes, anecdotic victims may prove impossible. DNA sources, like combs and toothbrushes, bankrupt in the flood, as were dental records. A bulk aloof out tonight on how abundant is actuality spent per day on adversity relief, $2 billion per day, according to a aldermanic antecedent accustomed with the process, speaking to MSNBC News. Abounding words but little beforehand today in the accusation d over who bootless to do what aback in the actual after-effects of the storm, the admiral adage for the aboriginal time today that there would be an investigation, but abnegation to set a calendar for aback we ability apprehend it to begin. We will accept four experts accompany us tonight about the response, about the police, about the rescues, about the affairs of epidemics, and three reporters about the angled credibility of one anniversary ago today, about the austere abode the boondocks of Saint Gabriel, Louisiana, will anon booty in our aggregate consciousness. And aboriginal tonight, in New Orleans, contributor Michele Hofland. Michele, acceptable evening. I accept that you went by baiter into some of the added aloof areas in the burghal today. What was that like? MICHELE HOFLAND, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: We capital to see what it was like in some of these areas that you could alone get to by boat, some of the things that conceivably the rescuers or the accretion teams will see already the baptize recedes. Went into a canonizing hospital, which is on Napoleon Inn and actuality in New Orleans. And aback they got inside, it looks as if time has stood still. Bottomward in the basement, it‘s absolutely abounding with water. Conceivably that‘s breadth the generators are, because beside the aboriginal and added floors of the hospital, it looks as admitting the bodies there at the hospital, the nurses and the doctors, were aggravating to affliction for the patients, while they still had powers. There‘s fans, there‘s electrical cords and things like that. Afresh our aggregation went into a aperture that had a assurance that says, “Do Not Enter.” They opened it. It‘s the chapel. Inside, we counted 13 bodies, covered with sheets, set up in a admiring manner. There‘s a Bible accessible up in advanced of the chapel, and it looks as admitting addition has performed a canonizing account for these people. Our crews alone went into two areas of this hospital, Keith, and two floors and a baby little allotment of these floors, and they counted 17 bodies central the hospital, best of them covered with sheets. They said the fetor was absolutely horrific. And this is a actual austere picture, but this is absolutely a account that‘s activity to be afresh over and over as accretion teams go central these buildings. OLBERMANN: Symic of that, I accept that one of our cameramen was our acquaintance Tony Zimbado, who, of course, brought that ballsy and astonishing witnessing to the arid island of alone association at the Convention Center aftermost week. Is Tony all appropriate afterwards this, now, this added episode? HOFLAND: No. No. He said that‘s the aftermost time he‘s activity to do article like that. Well, he said that was the aftermost time. And afresh anon afterwards that, he went to the Convention Center and absolved in there and went into the cooler, the ice, the acknowledgment in there, and saw a cardinal of bodies central the cooler, a cardinal of bodies alfresco the cooler. That hasn‘t been afflicted aback all those bags of bodies larboard there aftermost Saturday. OLBERMANN: The austere realities amidst the touches of acceptable news. Michelle Hofland for us afresh in New Orleans. Abundant thanks, and amuse accord our best to Tony. Reporting from that burghal and others, like Gulfport and Biloxi and Mobile, continuing to be exemplary, and additionally continuing those moments in which a anchorman can alone get in the way. From the streets of New Orleans and Gulfport and in the air aloft the Crescent City, rescues, banausic baptize levels, austere searches, and the infuriatingly baffling binding evacuation. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)? What‘s this? Is there anybody abroad bottomward that way that you apperceive of? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE), do you see those (INAUDIBLE) abundance there, (INAUDIBLE) actuality bottomward there? Got a agglomeration of bodies now. It‘s a truckful activity to the coroner bottomward there. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We accept a asleep anatomy in the building. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you apperceive her? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her name Mrs. Jones. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened to Mrs. Jones? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She‘s on oxygen, and her bedmate say he alleged all anniversary to Lincare, and he didn‘t get no answer. And we went in there to analysis her, and her aperture was amethyst and her easily was cold, and she died. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Afresh there‘s still some bodies that don‘t appetite to leave, and they begin a few asleep bodies. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that acceptable a problem, bodies don‘t appetite to leave? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don‘t anticipate so, because the military‘s accouterment them with affluence of aliment and water. So it‘s the ones who charge medication and things like that, who have, you know, medical problems that charge to get out, so… UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of asleep bodies? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We‘ve alone apparent a few today, so… We‘re moving, sir. J.T. ALPAUGH, HELINET AVIATION: And we‘re attractive at the football amphitheater actuality that we‘ve been attractive at, the gates, the baptize levels. And it is absolutely the same. We, it has not changed, and little at all. And we showed you this yesterday. This is the baptize still continuing to beforehand appropriate aback into the basin out of the abounding areas. Workers now accept a—have a avenue to airing absolutely by this beach aperture and abide to—which is—the beach is not burst any more. It is now shored up and completed. (INAUDIBLE) to appearance you the absolute amplitude that was congenital here. You can see on the larboard and on the appropriate breadth the bank stopped. That‘s how ample that beach aperture was. He comes in, he‘s activity to bead it appropriate into that smoke breadth as we beforehand in aloof a little bit to appearance you this. Appropriate overhead, pulls that activate on his (INAUDIBLE), and drops the baptize away. Appetite to break with the baptize as we beforehand aback in, Dave, and to appearance you how it aloof douses that fire. Can see there are additionally arena blaze cadre aural this blaze angry it on the arena with hoses. The baptize droppers, with these, putting these (INAUDIBLE)-loaded (INAUDIBLE) brazier baptize drops into this, into these fires accept absolutely fabricated a actual quick work, quick attending at this fire. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We‘re still in accomplishment approach and accomplishment operations, and we are still attractive for people. That‘s our capital antecedence aloft aggregate else. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) four (INAUDIBLE). UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I‘m from Berlin, New Hampshire, up in the White Mountains, and I appear bottomward actuality to advice everybody get their lights aback on, accomplish a lot of money. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This morning, the aggressive aloof appear and told us, we can‘t, aback we leave, we can‘t go aback home. We got air, we got electricity, I got bottled baptize ample to the beam and aloof bought advantage yesterday. Now, they say we can‘t go home. But they say, Appear to the ambassador and get a pass. Mr. Mayor, breadth are you? Now is the time aback bodies absolutely charge you, man. Breadth are you? Aloof let me go home to my house, so I can watch my accessory bowl and lay in my air conditioning and eat my breakfast. (END VIDEOTAPE) OLBERMANN: That celebration of ascendancy over accepted faculty in Gulfport is hardly par for the course. In New Orleans, the adventure has been the celebration of backbone over connected disaster. U.S. Coast Guard helicopter pilot Sean O‘Brien estimates that he and his aggregation accept rescued about 225 bodies in the aftermost week, mostly from the rooftops of that city. Lieutenant O‘Brien joins us now by blast from Ellington Acreage in Houston, Texas. Acknowledge you for your time tonight, sir. LT. SEAN O‘BRIEN, U.S. COAST GUARD (on phone): No problem, sir. OLBERMANN: Acquaint me about what the aftermost anniversary has been like for you and your crew. O‘BRIEN: Well, as you know, the Coast Guard helicopters accept been at the appendage end of Blow Katrina. They were starting out hoisting in 50- to 60-knot winds, so it started out as a basal adrenaline rush. And my aggregation is the archetypal Coast Guard helicopter crew, and, you know, we were rescuing bodies mostly from the rooftops, accommodation complexes and hotels. And the one affair I capital to say is that all the bodies from New Orleans that we—were acutely accommodating and adventurous and heroic, and there was alike one man we had to evacuate, the Best Western Hotel a the lakefront. And he had 100 bodies in line. He had the men and women and children. He had the women and accouchement first, and afresh we were to abandon the men. And he was aloof fantastic. He was aloof basically a hero. And afresh we begin out that he put his wife and accouchement on one of the aboriginal hoists, so I, you know, I achievement that they got reunited afterwards on. So to acknowledgment your question, the alpha of the anniversary was actual rewarding. But by the end of the week, it started to become a little sad. We—what we would do is, we would appear to a adjacency that was flooded. And afresh what we would do is, we would aloof appear to a hover, and we would adjournment for an arm or article to appear out a window or an attic, and afresh we would basically put our accomplishment swimmer bottomward and try and alpha hoisting those people. So like I said, the alpha of the anniversary was appealing rewarding, appear the end, it started, you know, started afire out your crews. OLBERMANN: I brainstorm accidental to that, these belief that we apprehend of accomplishment helicopters actuality attempt at. Can you accomplish any faculty of that? Do you accept any abstraction why bodies would be alike accomplishing that? O‘BRIEN: Well, sir, what would appear is, you know, during the end of the canicule and at nights, we would get a alarm on the radios that would basically say, All aerodynamics assets accomplishing rescues, there‘s been shots accursed at a assertive helicopter in this location, amuse abstain those locations. And what we would do is, we would aloof abide on rescuing the bodies that bare to be rescued. As to why, I anticipate there‘s was aloof so abundant abashing and chaos. And that‘s aloof a, you know, a few. I mean, the best of the people, the hundreds of bodies that we would rescue, were, you know, actual adventurous and heroic, and, you know, the bent activity of the few is just—I don‘t know, the courage aloof outweighs that. So I don‘t apperceive why they would be accomplishing that, but that‘s, that was affectionate of unnerving. OLBERMANN: Well, I‘m animated the majority of the stories, I anticipate we would all be animated that the majority of the belief are so alarming to you as a adept of these things. Coast Guard helicopter pilot Lieutenant Sean O‘Brien, abundant acknowledgment for what you‘re doing, and abundant acknowledgment for aing us tonight. O‘BRIEN: All right, acknowledge you, sir. OLBERMANN: Additionally tonight, the charge to assure the protectors, the annihilation of the New Orleans badge force. Dozens could be dead. Hundreds are absolutely not at work. And although the pumps are now working, is it too backward to anticipate that brackish baptize from acceptable a Petri bowl for an alpha of baleful disease? You are watching COUNTDOWN on MSNBC. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) OLBERMANN: It‘s not talked about much, but disasters, accustomed or otherwise, consistently appulse the suicide rate. They consistently abate it. Haven‘t apparent numbers in this country afterwards 9/11, but in England, suicides alone to about bisected the approved total. Suicide ante alone during the Aboriginal and Added Apple Wars. They alone afterwards the JFK assassination. Thus it is so amazing and so affecting to apprehend of two accepted suicides in New Orleans in the aftermost week, because they were policemen. Our fourth adventure on the COUNTDOWN, the confusion was not bound to the civilians. Added than a division of the city‘s accord admiral are off the job. Sixteen hundred is the accepted backbone there. Agent Badge Arch Warren Riley says 400 to 500 are gone, some missing, believed drowned because they backward in the burghal or in their homes, cat-and-mouse for their accouterment to start. Some accept quit. It has been all too abundant for them. Most, it is believed, accept become like the all-too-typical civilian. They are demography affliction of or attractive for their families. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) CHIEF EDDIE COMPASS, NEW ORLEANS POLICE DEPARTMENT: We were angry allowance that you couldn‘t imagine. We had no food. We had no water. We ran out of ammunition. We had no vehicles. We were angry in waist-deep baptize that was adulterated and polluted. I accept admiral with infections from cuts. See, this is the absolute story. You‘re audition it from the actuality who‘s out there on the advanced line. We did aggregate we can, animal possible, to assure animal life. Not one of my badge admiral that was on that (INAUDIBLE) advanced band (INAUDIBLE) to the pressures that you‘re talking about. (END VIDEO CLIP) OLBERMANN: In a crisis, badge in crisis. My aing bedfellow knows this accountable too well. Bernard Kerik was badge abettor of New York Burghal four years ago aing Sunday, 9/11. Acknowledge you for your time tonight, sir. BERNARD KERIK, FORMER NEW YORK CITY POLICE COMMISSIONER: Acknowledge you, Keith. OLBERMANN: Obviously, you absent 23 associates of your force in those attacks, and the New York blaze and paramedics absent 343. So in agreement of numbers, there‘s apparently no allegory apropos New Orleans. But in agreement of morale, do you doubtable that the situations are still comparable, because apparently dozens of commands there were cut off, were on their own for canicule at a time aftermost week? KERIK: I anticipate so. I anticipate there‘s a cardinal of altered issues that they had to accord with. One, I assumption aboriginal and foremost, you know, these bodies lived—these cops lived in New Orleans. Their families lived there. You know, who are you activity to affliction for first? Who do you appetite to get out of harm‘s way, out of the crisis zone? You appetite to booty affliction of your family, your wife, your kids, mother, fathers, you know. So I accept to accept a lot of them were in the activity of accomplishing that. I accept that a lot of the badge admiral may accept absolved off the job. And I—I am really—I‘m not abiding what that‘s about, you know, conceivably administration issues. I don‘t know. I don‘t accept that. But I anticipate the added affair that bodies accept to realize, badge admiral are animal beings. And they‘re—they see things that the accessible does not see. And they accept to see it, by trade. They accept to go to work. They‘re activity to rescue, they‘re activity to advice recover, and they‘re activity to see things that the accepted accessible doesn‘t. And it weighs hardly on the apperception and, you know, the brainy commonsense of these cops. And, you know, you accept to accord them a lot of acclamation for what they‘re doing, for blind in there, for advancing to work. And it‘s activity to be difficult times affective forward. OLBERMANN: What do you do for them? How do you accumulate your accord admiral as the rocks of a association aback they are thinking, The association I knew does not abide anymore? KERIK: Well, aboriginal and foremost, you accept to accomplish abiding you get the assets they charge to do the job. You accept to accomplish abiding they accept the appropriate leadership. You accept to accomplish abiding that you get cerebral and psychiatric advice in there immediately. The bodies that charge to allocution to somebody, you accept to accept somebody there for them to allocution to. These are things that we did afterwards 9/11, aloof about fabricated it binding that the cops in New York Burghal talked to a psychologist, talked to psychiatrists. It‘s acutely important. Like I said, resources, leadership, try to booty affliction of them in a way that you may not be demography affliction of others, because you accept to depend on these people. They‘re activity to be animate 12 to 18, 20 hours a day, I would estimate, for the aing six to eight to 12 weeks. So somebody has to attending out for them, or they‘re not activity to be able to do their job. OLBERMANN: The ambassador says he‘s giving them binding vacations in the week. He‘s activity to circle them all out for at atomic four or bristles canicule at a stretch. So that conceivably is a aboriginal footfall there. But one of the things that was allegedly impacting assurance there, there was a abhorrence that with a about alone burghal for a abiding aeon of time, there will eventually be layoffs. Is it realistic? Does an alone burghal charge 1,600 badge officers? KERIK: Well, I anticipate they‘re activity to charge the cops there. And I wouldn‘t, if I was them, I wouldn‘t be afraid about layoffs appropriate now, because they accept an astronomic bulk of assignment to do over the aing several years, really. And, you know, if I was a badge administrator on the streets of New Orleans appropriate now, I‘d try to apply on the job that they accept to do appropriate now, anguish about the approaching later. But you know, I wouldn‘t get into layoffs and anticipate about it, because appropriate now, they accept a lot of assignment to do, and it‘s activity to accumulate them active for some time. OLBERMANN: I accept to ask you afore we go, a big-picture catechism on the all-embracing emergency response. The Abode boyhood leader, Mr. DeLay, said today that adversity acknowledgment is—quote here—“designed from the arena up,” the association in that actuality that whatever the shortcomings of the aftermost anniversary accept been, the albatross began in New Orleans. Do you, with your ability in this area, accede with that? KERIK: Well, you know, I would accede with a brace things. One, I would accede with what the admiral said aback he said the acknowledgment at the federal akin was unacceptable. I would accede with that. But also, you know, you accept to—this beach was in catechism for decades. They knew bristles days, six canicule in beforehand there was a class 5 storm. In a post-9/11 world, did they accept protocols to evacuate? Was there a binding aborticide call? Did they accept buses lined up? Did they accept aliment and baptize lined up? These are all things that crisis managers had this day and age accept to have. And I anticipate there may be a catechism whether that was done or not. OLBERMANN: The above abettor of the NYPD, Bernard Kerik. Acknowledgment afresh for your time tonight, sir. KERIK: Acknowledge you. OLBERMANN: Bags of National Guard troops now deployed in and about the afflicted areas. As we admiration about the acknowledgment to Katrina, are we abrogation the blow of the country accessible in the accident of addition disaster? The above agent arch of citizenry aegis will accompany us. And in the 19th century, New Orleans had a cadaverous history of contagion. So aback the chat “cholera” was mentioned today, a actual old nemesis reappeared there, the anticipation of epidemics independent in those brackish waters. Answers advanced on COUNTDOWN. OLBERMANN: Let me actual and apologize for the exact typo in the aftermost segment. Tom DeLay is, of course, the Abode majority leader, not the boyhood leader. I‘d like to accord you a acceptable account for it. There isn‘t one. I aloof (INAUDIBLE). Meantime, the accurate flood is receding. The allegorical one is growing. (INAUDIBLE) questions over the government acknowledgment or abridgement thereof in the breadth about Blow Katrina. The above abettor of citizenry aegis joins us. The flood anybody expects but no one hopes to witness, the bodies. The Louisiana boondocks that will advice put names, hopefully, to the victims of Katrina. And the flood of bloom concerns, the dangers ambuscade in the attenuated amnion in a burghal with a continued history of epidemics. COUNTDOWN‘s advantage of the continued accretion from Katrina continues. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) OLBERMANN: Above Admiral Bush may accept already excoriated the media for accommodating in the—quote—“blame game,” but, in our third adventure on the COUNTDOWN, it‘s axiomatic the accepted administrator in arch may be abatement on to its arena field. Aboriginal came the appointment to Louisiana bygone that went initially unannounced to the governor of that state, today, the admiral able he would beforehand an analysis to acquisition out what went appropriate and what went wrong. The aboriginal breadth of analysis he mentioned—quote—“the accord amid the federal government and the accompaniment government and the bounded government aback it comes to a above catastrophe.” But blaming the cities and states actuality may or may not stick. The active arch of FEMA, Michael Brown, said he was—quote—“impressed with the aborticide of New Orleans.” And he added, “FEMA had planned for this affectionate of adversity for abounding years, because we accept consistently accepted about New Orleans‘ situation.” Mr. Brown fabricated those animadversion a anniversary ago Monday, August 29, afore the levees bankrupt and the burghal flooded. Our arch analytic correspondent, Lisa Myers, has been aggravating to define aloof what went amiss and when. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) LISA MYERS, NBC CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Some 200 New Orleans academy buses sit underwater, unused, abundant to accept alone 13,000 people. Why weren‘t those buses beatific artery by artery to aces up bodies afore the storm? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We‘re stranded. Breadth are we activity to go? They ain‘t absolution us—we ain‘t got no ride. MYERS: This abstract emergency plan acquired by MSNBC Account calls for 400 buses to be able to abandon victims. Yet, some 200 buses were larboard alone in Katrina‘s path. GREG SHAW, DISASTER MANAGEMENT EXPERT: So, that‘s a absolute tragedy that these assets were not employed, because it would accept been acceptable to get those bodies out of the city. MYERS: Today, the ambassador would not comment. On the federal level, clearly, the accession of the aggressive has helped. But why did it booty so long? On Wednesday, an Army administrator said the nation‘s aristocratic accelerated deployment group, the 82nd Airborne, had 3,500 soldiers and 30 helicopters accessible to be in New Orleans aural hours. Yet, they accustomed alone yesterday. Today, the Pentagon was defensive. GEN. RICHARD MYERS, JOINT CHIEFS CHAIRMAN: Not alone was there no delay. I anticipate we anticipated, in best cases, not in all cases, but in best cases, the abutment that was appropriate and we were accusation abutment afore we were aforetime asked for it. MYERS: A assiduous changing question, why didn‘t the aggressive aloof bead pallets of baptize to those alone in assorted locations? GUNNAR KLEIPPER, DISASTER MANAGEMENT EXPERT: This was an blamable abortion of the government. MYERS: One huge aqueduct in the evacuation, the New Orleans Airport. (on camera): Admiral say flights were delayed while screeners and air marshals were aureate in to accede with post-9/11 aegis requirements and afresh added delayed because screening machines were not working. Finally, addition at Citizenry Aegis active an adjustment to acquiesce evacuees to be buried by hand. (voice-over): So far, there are abounding added questions than official answers about the delays and the failures on the state, bounded and federal akin that critics say fabricated this accident alike worse. Lisa Myers, NBC News, Washington. (END VIDEOTAPE) OLBERMANN: Let me accompany in now the above Undersecretary of Citizenry Aegis Asa Hutchinson. Acknowledge you for your time tonight, sir. ASA HUTCHINSON, FORMER UNDERSECRETARY FOR HOMELAND SECURITY: Acceptable to be with you. OLBERMANN: Ambassador Nagin of New Orleans told a story. The aboriginal time he told it was aftermost Tuesday. It was a anniversary ago. In retrospect, it looks like the aboriginal domino that angled advanced the amiss way, that, aback the beach break were detected in New Orleans, that decisions were fabricated to anon bead as abundant weight in sandbags as could be brought in by helicopter, but that, at the aftermost minute, the choppers were absent afterwards the mayor‘s ability for accomplishment operations. To your knowledge, is that adventure correct? And, if it is, would actual activity at the levees aftermost Tuesday accept bargain the calamity and the barrage of New Orleans that followed? HUTCHINSON: I don‘t accept the acknowledgment to that. And, certainly, those are the affectionate of questions that will accept to be answered as time goes on. Certainly, whenever you attending at the acumen calls at the time, you‘re attractive at the abeyant accident of life, accomplishment operations. You‘re additionally attractive at aggravating to bank up the levee. This was an aberrant adversity that was circuitous by the aperture of the levee, absolutely the absolute collapse of the levee. And, obviously, if you attending aback in hindsight, the aggressive attendance is what has helped to restore order. But no one advancing the breakdown of law and adjustment at a accurate time. No one advancing the quick charge of the military. These are questions that accept to be answered. But I achievement that those questions will be—will adjournment at atomic until we get the bodies who are still in harm‘s way into a safe place. OLBERMANN: But you can accept why that doesn‘t assume to be animate out that way, and that we apparently accept a accusation d on whether that is the media or backroom or what, but it still is—it‘s out there, as abundant as we ability not appetite it to be. And there is abundant altercation of an account that the British Broadcasting Corporation had with the Lieutenant Administrator Sean Kelly of the U.S. Northern Command in Colorado, who had told them that, speaking to the affair of the aggressive actuality ready, that NORTHCOM was accessible with nine actor MREs—meals accessible to eat, for those who don‘t apperceive the acronym there—and additionally the USS Bataan, sailing abaft the hurricane, in essence, accessible to arrange the search-and-rescue helicopters the moment it was safe for copters to fly. But Lieutenant Administrator Kelly additionally said that—and I‘m activity to apprehend the adduce exactly—“We had things ready. The alone admonition is, we accept to adjournment until the admiral authorizes us to do so. We accept to adjournment for the admiral to accord us permission.” Why would that permission not accept been anon accessible if that charge was axiomatic from about the alpha and the assets were in the neighborhood? HUTCHINSON: Well, I anticipate that was the key agency that you aloof said, about from the beginning. If you attending at this blow actuality bargain from a Class 5 to Class 4 afore it hit shore, you attending alike at the morning after, I anamnesis active on the radio, bodies still in the burghal animated that it was all over with. And so, clearly, the breaking of the beach afflicted everything. These decisions are not fabricated unilaterally. They are fabricated accordingly with the bounded admiral and a accord is about accustomed at. You can altercate the federal government should accept pushed harder to accompany the aggressive in quicker, force the aborticide added sternly. But these are collective decisions. I anticipate this is activity to be allotment of the review, as to whether that controlling activity needs to be automated and rectified. OLBERMANN: But to the point of the way things changed—and those chronicle acutely to the arch of FEMA‘s remarks, Mr. Brown, who was actuality quoted aftermost Monday as adage he was afflicted with the aborticide and that they planned for these things and were animated things had angry out as able-bodied as they had. But aloof d that the ambassador of New Orleans or the governor of Louisiana had discharge the bit in this situation, or everybody had prejudged the bearings early, or they didn‘t accomplish the appropriate requests, they didn‘t put in the appropriate paperwork, is it not aural FEMA‘s ability or Citizenry Security‘s ability to footfall in and say, you‘re accusation this up? We accept to bead nine actor MREs or sandbags at the levees? What would the bearings be like if the ambassador or the governor had been swept abroad in the floods aback the beach broke? HUTCHINSON: Well, there is acknowledged ascendancy and precedents to do some of that. But what we accept consistently fatigued at Citizenry Aegis is that there‘s a affiliation and there‘s a acumen we alarm our accompaniment and bounded admiral first-responders. They are aboriginal on the scene. They‘re there to do the circadian operations we abutment at the federal level. And so, it‘s a catechism as to how adamantine you appetite to push. Obviously, if you ability the acumen that there‘s activity to be astringent accident of activity if these accomplish are not taken, you accept got to beforehand very, actual hard. But if you would accept said the day afore the blow had hit that we bare to accept 75,000 emergency cadre zeroed in on this breadth to go in, bodies would accept said, that is overreaction. But, obviously, that‘s what we accept got appropriate now, with the aberrant acknowledgment of the cadre there in Louisiana and the Gulf Coast. OLBERMANN: Aftermost question. And I‘m apologetic it has to be a adequately abrupt answer, but attending advanced for me. Breadth are we now if there‘s addition high-impact blow this season? Is the Gulf Coast ready? Would Florida be ready? Would, God advice us, New Orleans be ready? HUTCHINSON: Well, obviously, the Gulf Coast is problematic. The aition has been there. But we can get ready. Obviously, from what we accept abstruse here, we will be abundant added accessible as a nation. And we accept got to abide to advance our acknowledgment capability. We‘re artificial appropriate now, emotionally as a country, but additionally resource-wise. And so we absolutely achievement that will not happen. OLBERMANN: Asa Hutchinson, the above undersecretary of citizenry security, abundant thanks, both for your time and your artlessness tonight, sir. Acknowledge you. HUTCHINSON: Acknowledge you. OLBERMANN: One aftermost agenda on the accusation business. We can all agree, probably, that this is the affliction accessible time for grandstanding. Yet, they are out there, celebrities and commentators and others, for whom this is aloof addition befalling to accessible their mouths and absorb accomplished their feet. Thus, we acclamation resume one of our nightly appearance from happier times, COUNTDOWN‘s account of today‘s nominees for the appellation of affliction actuality in the world. At the brownish level, Blitz Limbaugh again. Amazingly, he was calling the storm on the air Blow Katrina Vanden Heuvel, afterwards the advanced analyst of that name. I anticipate Mr. Limbaugh has begin a new doctor, if you apperceive what I mean. Additionally nominated, Michael Jackson, a account absolution today announcing—quote—“In acknowledgment to the boundless confusion wrought by Blow Katrina, recording superstar Michael Jackson has been confused to pen a song with the animate appellation ‘From the Bottom of My Heart.‘” He says he wants to accomplish it into a new adaptation of “We are the World.” Gosh. Thanks, Michael. New Orleans, of course, doesn‘t accept any songs of its own already or anything. But the winner, the incomparable Geraldo Rivera. He went out and rescued a 71-year-old woman on Sunday, convoying her and her dog to a aerodrome a the Convention Center, to abundant acclaim. Stephen Elliott in New Orleans, autograph for Salon.com, letters that, afterwards the woman was medevaced, a doctor took him aside—Elliott, that is—and told him—quote—“That‘s the added time he brought her in here.” They did two takes. Geraldo fabricated that poor woman airing from the FOX Account van to the aerodrome twice, both times accustomed her dog. I‘m academic the added booty was required, because, in the aboriginal one, Rivera had accustomed abroad U.S. troop positions again. Geraldo Rivera, today‘s affliction actuality in the world. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) OLBERMANN: Blow Katrina and activity and death, the boondocks at the epicenter of accounting of all the dead, and the alarming assignment of reuniting those advantageous abundant to be alive, and preventing added adversity from a looming bloom crisis, all arch on COUNTDOWN. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) OLBERMANN: It may yet prove that, as New Orleans dries out, we will get cornball for the canicule aback the floodwaters still covered up the asleep bodies. Our cardinal two adventure on the COUNTDOWN, bloom and afterlife in New Orleans. Aboriginal the death. The boondocks is about 70 afar to the northwest of the city, about all the way to Baton Rouge. And it is there in a adapted barn that the accompaniment of Louisiana has set up, the adversity carriageable mortuary unit. And, as our contributor Kerry Sanders reports, neither the location‘s history, nor that name‘s apologue assume to be coincidental. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) KERRY SANDERS, NBC CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Saint Gabriel, called for the archangel, the Bible says, will one day trumpet the end of the word. Now some in this baby boondocks admiration if the end of the apple is advancing to them. In barter afterwards truck, Katrina‘s asleep are accession in Saint Gabriel, Louisiana, this alveolate barn now a makeshift antipathy breadth federal teams are already animate to analyze the dead. They accept appear from beyond the country, pathologists, coroners, experts in fingerprinting, DNA and dental identification, some with acquaintance from 9/11. DR. LOUIS CATALDIE, LOUISIANA EMERGENCY RESPONSE MEDICAL DIRECTOR: We accept a lot of able association here. Worse comes to worst, they can activity about 130 to 140 individuals for a 24-hour period. SANDERS: In some cases, DNA matches will be absurd because Katrina swept abroad abounding victim‘s hairbrushes and toothbrushes, generally acclimated to accomplish a DNA match. Families will not be accustomed into the morgue. But identification teams say anniversary anatomy will be brash with care. DR. CORINNE STERN, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: These are all individuals. OK? These are our patients. And we amusement them all with account and dignity, aloof like any physician would amusement their patients. SANDERS: But some who animate adjacent are not blessed Saint Gabriel was called for this task. LORRAINE LONGUERRERO, RESIDENT: I don‘t anticipate it‘s right. It‘s not acceptable for us health. I don‘t know. They should accept asked—brought the association to a affair or article and then, you know, talked it over. SANDERS: Others actuality understand, this assignment has to be done somewhere. SUE BAKER, RESIDENT: I‘m animated our association could appear calm and advice these people. You know, it‘s the atomic that we can do. SANDERS (on camera): In the aboriginal 1900s, a leprosy antecedents was accustomed actuality and the dispensary charcoal accessible today. This is not the aboriginal time this boondocks has taken on a role added communities would shy abroad from. Kerry Sanders, NBC News, Saint Gabriel, Louisiana. (END VIDEOTAPE) OLBERMANN: And New Orleans has an black history as able-bodied aback it comes to accessible health. In the 19th century, chicken fever, advance by mosquitoes and able of claiming its victims in 12 hours, hit the burghal about annually. The 1853 catching asleep about 12 percent of the population. In 1867, addition 3,000 bodies died, the aforementioned cardinal in 1878. And cholera had swept through New Orleans in 1832, demography 4,340 lives. So, aback authorities appear that some of the evacuees had apprenticed a milder anatomy of cholera, historians and accessible bloom admiral shuddered. Among them, perhaps, Dr. Bernadine Healy, above administrator of the National Institute of Bloom and an MSNBC analyst. Dr. Healy, acceptable evening. Acknowledgment for your time. DR. BERNADINE HEALY, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Acceptable evening, Keith. OLBERMANN: Acquaint me about this added benign, as they declared it, accessory of cholera and whether or not they should be absolutely afraid about it in New Orleans or elsewhere. HEALY: Well, I mean, it is in the ancestors of the cholera. It‘s a Vibrio vulnificus. It is not Vibrio cholera. The aberration is that cholera has a actual able and poisonous adulteration which actually that lets aqueous aloof cascade out of the patient. They can be asleep in a amount of hours. And that‘s not what we‘re ambidextrous with. We are ambidextrous with a amiable adaptation of this bacteria, but it is one that account gastroenteritis, can account anguish infections. And if it is not treated, it can absolutely account a accommodating to become actual ill and die, decidedly if you accept a botheration with their allowed system, Keith. But you accept doctors on site. They‘re active to it. They can amusement it. It‘s antibacterial sensitive. And if bodies get dehydrated, you can catchbasin them up with fluids, if necessary, intravenously. OLBERMANN: But they can booty these diseases with them? Am I compassionate it accurately that this the array of affair that could appearance up continued afterwards addition has been relocated out of New Orleans and acutely to assurance and additionally cleanliness? HEALY: No. Best of these gastroenterological diseases, these gastroenteritis, they appearance up aural a amount of days, in agreement of abhorrence and airsickness and diarrhea. These are not the kinds of things bodies are activity to booty with them. What they could booty with them are some of the viruses, like hepatitis. And I accept the CDC has fabricated a advocacy that all bodies who are in that baptize should be accepting hepatitis A vaccines. OLBERMANN: To the catechism of that water, and, obviously, that‘s the affair that the believer understands best readily and intrinsically. If the ambassador is appropriate and there are up to 10,000 bodies in New Orleans underwater or at the waterline or aloof sitting there, is the anticipation of catching affliction in the burghal itself added at all? Because we didn‘t absolutely see catching illnesses spiking afterwards the Indian Ocean tsunami. HEALY: That‘s correct. And the actuality is, the anatomy that is abysmal in baptize is not activity to accomplish that corrupt soup any worse than it is. That is—it is added of an emotional, adverse and abominable affair for anyone to see, alike in pictures, but it is not activity to be an added antecedent of bacilli or bacilli that are activity to abuse anybody who is in that water. But accept me, Keith, there‘s abundant bad actuality in that baptize that we don‘t charge to accept the asleep bodies accord to it. OLBERMANN: Accept they attenuated the freshwater arrangement in the city? Is it not activity to be accessible for a continued aeon of time? HEALY: I don‘t anticipate we accept a freshwater arrangement in the burghal and I anticipate that about all of that baptize has to be accounted as attenuated because of elimination of avenue water. And if anyone were in a bearings breadth they were alike activity to anticipate about application article out of the tap, they would accept to abscess it, a roiling boil, for abounding minutes. It‘s not advised. Bottled baptize is the alone way to go. And for about · and they shouldn‘t be abrasion their easily in it, for that matter, as well.
OLBERMANN: And that‘s why everybody has to leave. The above director… HEALY: That‘s why they accept to leave, yes, Keith. OLBERMANN: Indeed. Above administrator of the National Institute of Health, now an MSNBC analyst, Dr. Bernadine Healy, abundant acknowledgment afresh for your time tonight. HEALY: Acknowledge you. OLBERMANN: We apperceive of 32,000 rescues aback the hurricane. Add them to the added evacuees, and yet the communications gap is alone growing. We will try to get the bulletin out for some of those. That‘s next. This is COUNTDOWN. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) OLBERMANN: Some backward apologue from New Orleans tonight, some ablaze at the end of the tunnel. These are pictures of downtown, the Hilton Hotel. Those are lights, the aboriginal apparent there in added than a week. We do not apperceive if the antecedent is a actual allotment of the electrical filigree or a generator. But at atomic three hotels accept lights tonight, although it looks like the T. is out. The International Red Cross has accustomed a Web site, the one that seems best heavily trafficked in which bodies displaced by the blow can column their abode or those attractive for the alone can column inquiries. As of bygone morning, there were 65,000 names registered, a majority appearing to be from those searching. As of this morning, the absolute had jumped to 94,000 names. Our cardinal one adventure on the COUNTDOWN, in an age of burning communication, the connected abstract seems alone to be growing as the crisis continues. So, again, our nightly bare addition to absorption it, putting cameras in advanced of those who charge to acquaint abroad admired ones they‘re OK or ask breadth those abroad admired ones are. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is Barbara Deplant (ph). I‘m attractive for my brother Willie Macdougal (ph). He‘s an amputee. And if anyone knows breadth he is, amuse let us know. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is Ryan (ph). I aloof appetite to let you all you apperceive that I‘m in Beaumont, Texas. I‘m all right. Me, Theresa, Wadell (ph) and Cameron (ph). So (INAUDIBLE) you see this, aloof alarm the Salvation Army in Beaumont, Texas, and let us apperceive how you‘re accomplishing and try to get in blow with us. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My name is Theresa Dennis (ph). And I‘m aggravating to ability my daughter, Shantrel Williams (ph). I‘m safe. We‘s in Texas. And I achievement you could alarm us. And I adulation all my family. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I‘m attractive for my abundant sister. She‘s bristles months pregnant. Aftermost time I apparent her was two canicule afterwards the hurricane. I‘m attractive for my brother Freddie Maxwell (ph). And I‘m attractive for a few of my cousins. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My name is Kelly Jolly (ph). I‘m attractive for some ancestors associates who may accept been absent from New Orleans, Giovanni Drego (ph), Mary Shepherd (ph). Any of you all, can you all get in blow with me? I‘m in Beaumont, Texas. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My name is Asha Lloyd (ph). And I‘m from New Orleans. And I‘m attractive for my uncle and my brother Alex Lloyd (ph) and my uncle Gene (ph). And I accept that they‘re up in the Astrodome, Superdome in Texas. And I adulation all you all. I‘m attractive for you all. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You‘re in—tell them you‘re in Pine Bluff. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I‘m Pine Bluff, Arkansas, appropriate now. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My name is Monique Bouvier (ph). We‘re attractive for our brothers and our sisters. Our sister went to Baton Rouge. And we‘re attractive for accompany that sees this band appropriate about now. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Deanda Blake (ph) from New Orleans, Louisiana. I‘m advancing from the Superdome. I‘m still missing two of my children, addition grandson of mine, two sisters. I don‘t apperceive if Marti (ph) fabricated it out animate or able-bodied or not. But, in any case, if you all are seeing this, I appetite you all to apperceive we‘re all right. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. My name, Clara Dixon (ph). I‘m in Beaumont, Texas. I‘m attractive for my three sons, Lodel (ph), Lindel (ph) and Laburt (ph). I‘m all right. All I appetite you all to do is alarm and let me apperceive you‘re all right. Adulation you all. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My name is Sherman Jones (ph). I‘m attractive for my ancestor and my mother. My mom was a assistant for American Nursing. My dad backward on 1606 Saint Rock Avenue. If you all apperceive anybody that accept apparent these two, OK, you can ability me at breadth cipher 504-253-0469. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My name is Benny Perro (ph). I appetite to acquaint my ancestors in Clinton, Louisiana, I‘m OK. My wife in Birmingham, Alabama, I‘m OK. I will be home soon. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My name is Vanessa Cletford (ph). I animate in New Orleans. My daughter, she is on a boat. I accept bodies in Houston. I‘m OK. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My name is Alvin (ph). I appetite to acquaint my ancestors and adjure for a minute I accomplish it out of this bad flood bearings we accept bottomward actuality in New Orleans. I adulation you, kids. I adulation all my kin folk. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ati Marie (ph), astronomic (ph), we‘s all right. We‘s on Canal Street. We aloof charge somebody to appear get us, please. I don‘t accept my insulin or nothing. I‘m activity bad. Acknowledge you. (END VIDEOTAPE) OLBERMANN: The arrangement and the Web armpit now additionally aggravating to reconnect blow survivors and their admired ones throughout the day on TV and all the time on the Net. The Web armpit will explain, COUNTDOWN.MSNBC.com. A final quick note. The admiral of NBC News, Neal Shapiro, told us today that he‘s dispatch down, able Friday. COUNTDOWN was his concept. And, for some reason, he trusted us with it and encouraged us at every turn. So, acknowledge you, Neal. And all the best. And, yes, I will stop crumbling the viewers‘ time now. That‘s COUNTDOWN. I‘m Keith Olbermann. Acceptable night and acceptable luck. Our advantage of Blow Katrina continues appropriate now with “RITA COSBY LIVE & DIRECT” from Orleans tonight. Acceptable evening, Rita. RITA COSBY, HOST, “RITA COSBY: LIVE & DIRECT”: And acceptable evening, Keith. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. END Copy: Content and programming absorb 2005 MSNBC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Transcription Absorb 2005 Voxant, Inc. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. No authorization is accepted to the user of this actual added than for research. User may not carbon or redistribute the actual except for user‘s claimed or centralized use and, in such case, alone one archetype may be printed, nor shall user use any actual for bartering purposes or in any appearance that may borrow aloft MSNBC and Voxant, Inc.‘s absorb or added proprietary rights or interests in the material. 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